Pope Benedict XVI: "Any denial or minimisation of this terrible crime [the Holocaust] is intolerable and altogether unacceptable." (link)
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Pope Benedict XVI: "Any denial or minimisation of this terrible crime [the Holocaust] is intolerable and altogether unacceptable." (link)
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12:59 PM
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Sungenis’ pattern of anti-Jewish chicanery continues unabated at his Bellarmine Theological Forum. For example, BTF has recently posted a “News Alert” link to a video by the “Reverend” Ted Pike - an anti-Jewish extremist who is regularly published by white supremacists such as National Vanguard and David Duke and from whom Sungenis has previously been caught plagiarizing (click here then scroll down to point #34 ).
However, more importantly, Sungenis has again illustrated another disturbing pattern of behavior that we have documented at this blog. He has repeatedly removed problematic material when he comes under heavy fire only to later return to that material when he feels the coast is clear. (Article 1, Article 2 and Article 3)
In this case, Sungenis’ duplicity is all the more blatant when one considers a previous, condemnatory statement he made about Ted Pike:
R. Sungenis: CAI didn't pull any Pike comments until we found out the truth about Ted Pike. Mr. Forrest didn't provide us with any information that Ted Pike was associated with National Vanguard [white supremacists]. That information was provided by CAI itself, and when we found out, I made the decision to pull Ted Pike from our sight [sic].
So let's recap. We now we [sic] have several instances in this response where it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that when correct [sic] with corroborated information about a certain source, I will make the necessary decision to pull the source. In EVERY instance this has been the case. But what does Mr. Palm do? He makes it sound as if I knew previously all this information about the sources and deliberately left them on our site! (Article)
Sungenis: “If you have no political affiliation with these neo-cons, then I suggest you put a disclaimer on your site, otherwise people are going to get the wrong impression, and you can't blame them if they do. Any person with common sense who sees their names on your web site would assume that you support the political views of the aforementioned unless you say otherwise.”
(Sungenis, Q&A, January, 2005, Question 3).
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12:36 AM
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The Catholic Church's Code of Canon Law states:
Books of the sacred scriptures cannot be published unless the Apostolic See or the conference of bishops has approved them. For the publication of their translations into the vernacular, it is also required that they be approved by the same authority and provided with necessary and sufficient annotations (Canon 825 §1).
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12:29 AM
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It was not long ago that Robert Sungenis was loudly clamoring for Roy Schoeman to recall his book, Salvation is from the Jews, due to its alleged doctrinal errors:
If Mr. Schoeman can tell us one place where the Fathers interpreted Old Testament prophecy about the restoration of Israel as referring to a nation state of Israel in the future, then he has a case. If not, then he needs to burn his book... Schoeman needs to recall his book and fix the offending paragraphs, as well as fix a lot of other erroneous ideas in his book, including but not limited to his apparent Jewish racism. ("Catholics Falling for Jewish Errors," pp. 36, 41)
I hold that Mr. Schoeman should be called upon to retract these views and also that Ignatius Press should recall his book and insist that he revise it. ("Thirteen Problems with the Theology and Eschatology of Roy Schoeman," p. 1)
Schoeman has an obligation to his readers and to the whole Catholic world to retract, rephrase and resubmit his problematic paragraphs. ("David Palm Still Confused and Getting More Confused," p. 4)
We can all play the "proof" card in a faith-based religion such as Christianity and find cracks in each other's position. Engaging your opponent in "mutually self-destructive" apologetics is futile and irrelevant. From where this apologist has taken the argument, we can go even further. There is no "proof" that God exists because, as even John 1:18 says, no one has seen him at any time. We have only circumstantial evidence (cf. Rom. 1:20; Heb. 11:1-2). Hence, unless the apologist wants to become a Nihilist, it is pointless to argue his case as he has done. (Robert Sungenis, Not by Scripture Alone [Goleta, CA: Queenship, 1997] p. 289)
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Summary:
Pope Benedict XVI recently gave a talk in which he commented on the dispute that arose between Sts. Peter and Paul at Antioch over table fellowship between Jewish and Gentile converts to Christianity. The Holy Father’s commentary was straightforward and, as we would expect, hewed closely to the mainstream of traditional Catholic thought on this passage.
Robert Sungenis has responded negatively to the Pope’s address, asserting that “he is quite incorrect”, he “is simply shortsighted”, he has advanced a “non-traditional exegesis” which “falls right in line with the liberal hermeneutic” and which contains more than one “exegetical blunder” (see here).
What has prompted Sungenis to castigate the Pope in such a public way? The answer will not be surprising to anyone who has followed the controversies over the past few years. It’s the Jews.
Although Sungenis advances his critique with characteristic self-assurance and even bravado, we believe that it is demonstrable that Sungenis has erred in numerous ways, while having the pluck to publicly upbraid the Pope. In this essay, we will establish the following points:
1. Contrary to Sungenis’ assertion that Benedict XVI has advanced a “non-traditional exegesis” which “falls right in line with the liberal hermeneutic”, in fact the Holy Father’s views on Galatians 2:11ff. fall well within the venerable Catholic exegetical tradition.
2. Sungenis casts St. Peter’s behavior in as severe a light as possible, whereas historical Catholic exegesis has taken it as a venial fault at most. This sort of severe treatment of St. Peter’s behavior is typically a feature of polemical Protestant works and finds no place in traditional Catholic exegesis.
3. Sungenis implies strongly that there is really only one exegesis of the passage throughout history: “Previous exegesis has taken the thesis-antithesis approach…” and “The only correct interpretation of the passage is what we see in the tradition”. He has made similar unsupported assertions on other passages, when the evidence is clearly against it.
4. Sungenis seems to claim that Pope Benedict was stating that St. Peter was faultless. This misrepresents the Pope’s address. In so doing, Sungenis omits important qualifiers in the Pope’s original address. In fact, he seems to have only critiqued a news report, without consulting the full address. Indeed, one of his points is based on a mistranslation in this news report, which is corrected in the official Vatican translation. This sort of sloppy research has, unfortunately, become habitual with Sungenis.
5. Sungenis calls the Pope’s exegesis “non-traditional” and claims that “I don’t know anyone in the history of the church [sic] who has taken his side on this passage”. The fact is that the Pope’s exposition of the text falls well in line with a perennial Catholic understanding. Sungenis, on the other hand, has taken contradictory views of the passage over the years and it is these that are actually non-traditional.
6. Sungenis claims that “opposite Pope Benedict’s claim, the Jews in Galatians 2:12-15 are not understood as ‘believers from Judaism.’ The text does not say whether they were believers. . . . the pope assumes the Jews had already accepted the Gospel, but there is no indication in the text that they had. Hence, the whole basis for the pope’s interpretation of the passage is built on an unproven foundation.” But in fact, both Catholic and Protestant exegetes are virtually unanimous that these individuals were in fact converts from Judaism and cite evidence within the text to support that view. Sungenis offers a bare, unsupported assertion.
7. Sungenis claims that the Pope makes a “blunder” when comparing the context of Gal 2:11ff and Rom 14:1ff. But the Pope’s comparison is backed up by well-respected Catholic (and even non-Catholic) exegetes. Ironically, it is Sungenis himself who has in the past made an elementary blunder with respect to the context of the Epistle to the Romans--he has told his readers on more than one occasion that the context of Romans 11 includes an event that took place more than twelve years after Romans 11 was written and more than three years after St. Paul was dead.
8. What has really prompted Sungenis to write at such length and with such vigor against the Pope (and in doing, to contradict himself and commit so many of his own blunders)? Jews. This recent attack on the Holy Father serves only to reinforce our view that Robert Sungenis is simply incapable of handling Jewish issues in a responsible and fair manner.
Below, each of these points will be expanded upon:
1. Contrary to Sungenis’ assertion that Benedict XVI has advanced a “non-traditional exegesis” which “falls right in line with the liberal hermeneutic”, in fact the Holy Father’s views on Galatians 2:11ff. demonstrably fall well within the venerable Catholic exegetical tradition.
Pope Benedict's recent talk is perfectly well in line with the mainstream of prior Catholic exegesis:
At the outset Cephas, Peter, shared meals with both; but with the arrival of certain Christians associated with James, "the Lord's brother" (Gal 1: 19), Peter began to avoid contact with Gentiles at table in order not to shock those who were continuing to observe the laws governing the cleanliness of food and his decision was shared by Barnabas (link).
This decision profoundly divided the Christians who had come from circumcision and the Christians who came from paganism. This behaviour, that was a real threat to the unity and freedom of the Church, provoked a passionate reaction in Paul who even accused Peter and the others of hypocrisy (Ibid.; emphasis added).
In fact, the thought of Paul on the one hand, and of Peter and Barnabas on the other, were different: for the latter the separation from the Gentiles was a way to safeguard and not to shock believers who came from Judaism; on the contrary, for Paul it constituted the danger of a misunderstanding of the universal salvation in Christ, offered both to Gentiles and Jews. If justification is only achieved by virtue of faith in Christ, of conformity with him, regardless of any effect of the Law, what is the point of continuing to observe the cleanliness of foods at shared meals? In all likelihood the approaches of Peter and Paul were different: the former did not want to lose the Jews who had adhered to the Gospel, and the latter did not want to diminish the saving value of Christ's death for all believers (Ibid.).
It is strange to say but in writing to the Christians of Rome a few years later (in about the middle of the 50s a.D.), Paul was to find himself facing a similar situation and asked the strong not to eat unclean foods in order not to lose or scandalize the weak: "it is right not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that makes your brother stumble" (Rm 14: 21) (Ibid.).
Many, on a superficial reading of this part of the Epistle, suppose that Paul accused Peter of hypocrisy. But this is not so, indeed it is not, far from it; we shall discover great wisdom, both of Paul and Peter, concealed herein for the benefit of their hearers. (St. John Chrysostom, Homilies On Galatians 2)
Forasmuch, then, as Peter was rebuked because, after he had lived with the Gentiles, he proceeded to separate himself from their company out of respect for persons, the fault surely was one of conversation, not of preaching. (Praesc. Adv. Haer. 23)
And yet as Paul himself became all things to all men, 1 Corinthians 9:22 that he might gain all, it was possible that Peter also might have betaken himself to the same plan of practising somewhat different from what he taught. (Ad. Marc. 4.3)
Tertullian and most interpreters take notice, that St. Peter's fault was only a lesser or venial sin in his conduct and conversation. Did not St. Paul on several occasions do the like, as what is here laid to St. Peter's charge? that is, practise the Jewish ceremonies: did not he circumcise Timothy after this, an. 52 [in the year A.D. 52]? did he not shave his head in Cenchrea, an. 54? did he not by the advice of St. James (an. 58.) purify himself with the Jews in the temple, not to offend them? . . . the opinion of St. Augustine is commonly followed, that St. Peter was guilty of a venial fault of imprudence. . . . Baronius held that St. Peter did not sin at all, which may be true, if we look upon his intention only, which was to give no offence to the Jewish converts; but if we examine the fact, he can scarce be excused from a venial indiscretion (link; emphasis added.)
What was the precise object of the conflict? On the question of principle the two apostles were fully agreed. . . . The spirit of conciliation led him [St. Peter] too far. . . . Paul knew the loyalty, humility and grandeur of soul which characterized the chief of the apostles. He did not, therefore, fear to reproach him publicly, not with a fault, but with a dangerous example; not with an error, but with an inconsistency. Peter certainly yielded to the arguments of Paul. (The Theology of Saint Paul. Westminster: The Newman Bookshop. 1952, vol. 1, pp. 51‑2).
It may be urged that in this act of Peter’s there was at least something sinful, if not actually erroneous in faith, as some have rashly asserted. . . . Although Peter, however, did not so regard it, yet his action was so imprudent as to give the Gentiles good reason for thinking that he did. . . . To what has been said I add this: This sin of Peter’s was venial, or material only, arising from want of thought, or from want of light and prudence. He seems to have thought that, being the Apostle of the Jews especially, that he ought rather to avoid scandalising them than the Gentiles, and that the Gentiles would readily recognise the rightfulness of this line of action. . . . Again, observe the following rule: When there is a just cause of concealing the truth, no falsehood is involved. Peter, in the act under discussion, had partly a just cause, viz., the fear of offending the Jews. His withdrawal from the Gentiles was not a formal declaration that he was a Judaiser, but only tantamount to saying that he preferred to serve the Jews rather than the Gentiles, the just cause of this preference being that he was more an Apostle of the former than of the latter. I say partly, for he was not wholly justified in so acting, inasmuch as he was bound, as universal pastor, to care for the Jews without neglecting the Gentiles. Hence it follows also that in one respect he sinned through want of due consideration. The infirmity of man’s mind, however, is such that he cannot always hit the exact mean, and under complex circumstances benefit one without harming another (link; emphasis mine.)
But in fact it is not difficult to imagine how Cephas would have defended his action. He would have claimed that he acted out of consideration for weaker brethren—the weaker brethren on this occasion being those back home in Jerusalem. Tertullian (Adv. Marc. 1.20) read his motives thus, and put Paul’s critical reaction down to his immaturity: later on he points out, Paul ‘was to become in practice all things to all men—to those under the law, as under law’ (1 Cor. 9:20). The trouble was, however, that Cephas’s concern for the weaker brethren in Jerusalem conflicted with Paul’s concern for the Gentile brethren in Antioch, who were being made to feel like second-class citizens.
Again, Tertullian suggests that, ‘since Paul himself became “all things to all men in order to win them all”, Peter too may well have had this policy in mind in acting differently from what he was accustomed to teach’ (Adv. Marc. 4.3). That Cephas had some reason on his side was acknowledged by Barnabas, who followed his example (The Epistle to the Galatians. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1982. p. 133).
In his dealings with Jews, St Paul sometimes gave way in secondary matters, provided this did not take from the essence of the Gospel: he had Timothy, whose mother was Jewish, circumcised “because of the Jews that were in those places” (Acts 16:3), and he himself kept to Jewish practices in order to allay suspicion and jealousy (cf. Acts 21:22-26). Similarly, he recommended patience and understanding towards those “weak” in the faith, that is, Christians of Jewish origin who held on to some Jewish observances connected with fast days, clean and unclean food and abstinence from the flesh of animals sacrificed to idols (cf. Rom 14:2-6; 1 Cor 10:23-30). But on the key issue of Christians’ freedom from the Mosaic Law, the Apostle was always firm and unambiguous, relying on the decisions of the Council of Jerusalem.
Paul’s correction of Peter did not go against the latter’s authority. On the contrary, if it had been just anyone, the Teacher of the Gentiles might have let the matter pass; but because it was Cephas, that is, the “rock” of the Church, he had to take action in order to avoid the impression being given that Christians of Gentile origin were obliged to adopt a Jewish lifestyle. (Romans and Galatians. Four Courts Press, 1998. pp. 179-80.)
We might say that there are three periods in observance of the prescriptions of the Law. In the first period, prior to Christ’s passion, the precepts of the Law were “alive”, that is, it was obligatory to keep them. A second period was between the Passion and the spread of the apostolic preaching: the Law’s precepts were already “dead”, no longer obligatory, but they were not “lethal”: Jewish converts could keep them provided that they did not rely on them, for Christ was already the basis of their hope. In the third stage, in which we find ourselves, observance of Jewish precepts as a means of salvation amounts to denying the redemptive power of Christ and therefore they could be termed “lethal” (cf. St Thomas Aquinas, Commentary on Gal, ad loc.) (Romans and Galatians, p. 181.)
But Peter Judaized in such a manner as to “compel the Gentiles” to suffer bondage, and at the same time to create a prejudice against Paul’s doctrine. He did not, therefore, observe the proper limit; for he was more desirous to please than to edify, and more solicitous to inquire what would gratify the Jews than what would be expedient for the whole body. . . . For the sake of the Jews, Peter had withdrawn himself from the Gentiles, in order to drive them from the communion of the Church, unless they would relinquish the liberty of the Gospel, and submit to the yoke of the Law (link).
This is another thunderbolt which strikes the Papacy of Rome. It exposes the impudent pretensions of the Roman Antichrist, who boasts that he is not bound to assign a reason, and sets at defiance the judgment of the whole Church. Without rashness, without undue boldness, but in the exercise of the power granted him by God, this single individual chastises Peter, in the presence of the whole Church; and Peter submissively bows to the chastisement. Nay, the whole debate on those two points was nothing less than a manifest overthrow of that tyrannical primacy. . . (ibid.)
Although I admire Pope Benedict XVI, to be very honest, I believe he is quite incorrect in his analysis of the conflict between Peter and Paul in Galatians 2:11-16. I don’t know anyone in the history of the church who has taken his side on this passage. Previous exegesis has taken the thesis-antithesis approach wherein Paul presents a thesis, and Peter’s antithesis is not only wrong but it is akin to perverting the Gospel. Note the factual evidence the passage gives us: (1) Peter is to be condemned for leaving the Gentiles with whom he was eating when the Jews came to Antioch. (2) Paul adds that Peter engaged in this dissimulation because he “feared the Jews,” and that other Jews joined Peter in what Paul calls “hypocrisy.” (3) Paul adds that when Peter and fellow Jews did this deed, “they were not being straightforward about the truth of the Gospel.” These are serious indictments.
Peter stands condemned for his hypocrisy and the passage offers him no defense.
There is no indication in the text that Peter was justified in his actions, or that he had the right to depart from the Gentiles to avoid a so-called “scandal” with the Jews.
If there was even the slightest hint in the passage that Peter was in the right, the pope would have at least some basis for making his non-traditional exegesis, but there is none. Everything in the Galatian epistle speaks loudly against Peter’s actions. I’m afraid to say that the pope’s understanding of this passage falls right in line with the liberal hermeneutic that we have seen so often in the last forty years.
This behavior, which truly threatened the unity and liberty of the Church, brought a fiery reaction from Paul, who arrived to the point of accusing Peter and the rest of hypocrisy." ("Paul's Dealings With Peter")
Very probably the perspectives of Peter and Paul were different: for the first, not losing the Jews who had embraced the Gospel, for the second, not diminishing the salvific value of the death of Christ for all believers (Ibid.).
Pope Benedict claims: “For [Peter], the separation of the pagans represented a way to teach and avoid scandalizing the believers coming from Judaism.” This is a stretch. There is no indication in the text that Peter was justified in his actions, or that he had the right to depart from the Gentiles to avoid a so-called “scandal” with the Jews.
St. Augustine read the root of Romans 11 as Israel, and he says so in the immediate vicinity of the passages you quoted to argue that the root is Christ and not Israel. Again, you're lobbing softballs at your critics, and it's a good thing I caught this before they did. There could hardly be a clearer illustration of Forrest's thesis that your use of the Fathers is highly tendentious when the subject is Jews and Israel. (link)
In Galatians 2, as Mr. Zins pointed out, he says that Peter was upbraided by Paul for what Peter had done in perverting the Gospel, supposedly. Let me just give you some background on this issue.
Paul’s major concern in Acts 15:1 is that the Jews are commanding that the gentiles be circumcised before they come into the Church. That is his concern. That is also his concern in Galatians, chapter 2. We read that he didn’t want to circumcise Titus to give the Jews any space to say that, yes, we were falling back into the circumcision that we were denied.
That is the issue. Is that what Peter is doing in Galatians chapter 2? No, not at all. Paul accuses Peter of disfellowshiping with the Gentiles – a very minor infraction. Peter is not doing what Paul had accused him of. He is not perverting the Gospel. He is not circumcising anyone. Paul is over-reacting to Peter.
It is actually the very Paul who had decided to circumcise Timothy because he had an understanding of the Jews . He wanted to placate them. He circumcises Timothy so that it would be much smoother to approach the Jews.
Then he changes his mind in Galatians 2 and says that I didn’t circumcise Titus because I didn’t want to give any place to the Jews. Well, which is it, Paul? One or the other.
He does this both because Timothy is a Greek and Titus is a Greek. That’s the criterion that Paul uses.
Yes, Paul is over-reacting.
What is Paul’s address to? The Galatians, the Judaizers. These were the ones who were trying to circumcise Christians and say that they had to be circumcised – had to obey this law to become Christians.
When you read the rest of the Galatian epistle, that is his concern. As a matter of fact, he says “I wish they would circumcise their whole body…and leave me alone.”
His concern is not with Peter. Augustine says yes, Peter did have a moment of imprudence. But it wasn’t the destruction of the Gospel that we’re told that it is. (see link and link; emphasis added.)
R. Sungenis4: . . . After God abolished the Old Covenant in 33 AD and destroyed the Jews in 70 AD for their unbelief, a curious observer might ask: “Well, does that mean the Jews can no longer be saved?” The answer comes back, “No, God has not forsaken the Jews, for I Paul, a Jew from Benjamin, have been saved; and even in the OT God had a remnant of Jewish believers that he saved, even though most of the nation was in apostasy.” That is the context of Romans 11:1-8. ("CAI Answers Its Critics", emphasis added.)
But even if the Jews in Galatians 2 were believers, shouldn’t they, all the more, be required to set aside their racial pride and accept Gentiles as neighbors, especially since Peter had befriended these Gentiles so as to win them over to the Gospel? Why does the pope give no consideration as to how the Gentiles will feel when they see Peter depart from them for no more than the Jews who think of themselves superior to Gentiles? Why is it, also, that Pope Benedict seems to have no qualms about scandalizing faithful Catholics by having an unconverted Jewish rabbi speak to the hundreds of bishops at the current Synod on Scripture, yet he allows for Peter to claim that the Jews would be scandalized by seeing Peter eat with Gentiles? I submit there is a double standard working here. It seems that the pope’s criterion in both cases is how the scene affects the Jews, not how it affects Gentiles.
Romans 11:25 must be interpreted within these specific parameters, but this is an easy task once one understands the context St. Paul has set up in Romans 11:1-4. As we noted earlier, the logical question one would ask after the Temple curtain was miraculously torn in two at the exact moment of Christ's death on the cross (Mt. 27:51), followed by the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. by the Romans, is: Do the Jews have any future with God at all? Can any of them be saved any longer? We saw above that the answer is 'yes', but it is a qualified 'yes,', since only a remnant will be saved...St. Paul obviously has no delusions of grandeur regarding Jewish conversions. He anticipates saving only a portion of the Jews (CASB2, p. 138; emphasis added).
The very reason Romans 11 was written is that, after God rejected and decimated the Jews in the first century, the question of whether any Jew could still be saved came to the fore, which is the very reason St. Paul opens the chapter with: “Has God foresaken the Jew?” (p. 54; emphasis added.)
R. Sungenis4: I personally don’t see what the difficulty is. The “gifts and call of God” that are “irrevocable” refers to the fact that God will never take away the possibility of salvation for the Jews, since he made an irrevocable promise to Abraham about their salvation.
Why would the salvation of the Jew be an issue that needed to be reiterated? Because Paul opens up the chapter by asking: “Has God forsaken the Jews?”
After God abolished the Old Covenant in 33 AD and destroyed the Jews in 70 AD for their unbelief, a curious observer might ask: “Well, does that mean the Jews can no longer be saved?” The answer comes back, “No, God has not forsaken the Jews, for I Paul, a Jew from Benjamin, have been saved; and even in the OT God had a remnant of Jewish believers that he saved, even though most of the nation was in apostasy.” That is the context of Romans 11:1-8. ("CAI Answers Its Critics", emphasis added.)
I have spent the last 32 years in intensive study and writing about theology and religion. Additionally, my books have received the Catholic Church’s imprimatur; my articles have been published by over a dozen reputable journals and periodicals; I have written and hosted television programs for EWTN; I have been a guest commentator on CNN and the BBC; I have debated the best and brightest of opposing religions before live audiences, and I continue to be a sought after speaker. ("My Ph.D.", pp. 5-6).
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7:15 PM
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In past years, Bob Sungenis has been caught propagating material taken from the white supremacists at National Vanguard:
Sungenis Source Shut Down By Commonwealth of Virginia
Sungenis Dishonesty and Hypocrisy Over Racist National Vanguard Continues
Eventually, after sustained public pressure, Bob quietly removed the material he had copy-pasted from these white supremacists – albeit without retraction or apology. To this day, the most he has managed to say against them is that they are “believed to be extremist.” Believed to be? (Article)
And now, white supremacist groups (including one that Bob copy-pasted material from) are repaying the compliment by using and recommending material obtained from Bob and his mentor, E. Michael Jones (please note that if you have Internet filtering software you may need to disable it, since these sites are usually blocked as hate groups):
Stormfront Forum
Vanguard News Network Forum
Stormfront is “a white supremacist Internet forum that has been described as one of the earliest and longest continually published websites of any kind and the Internet's first major hate site. Stormfront was founded by former Ku Klux Klan member and white nationalist activist Don Black with the intention of creating a community around the white power movement…The board began to become popular with the exponential growth of the Internet in 1994 and 1995, according to owner Don Black, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and a member of the American Nazi Party in the 1970s. Black founded the website Stormfront.org in April 1995 with the intention of providing a central meeting place for the white power movement.” (Wikipedia)
Vanguard News Network is “an antisemitic, white supremacist website launched in 2000. VNN is one of the most active white supremacist sites on the Internet…Its motto is "No Jews. Just Right." [Alex] Linder (the founder) echoes numerous Nazi sentiments, among them that "the thing to be done about [the Jews] is to kill them, exterminate them, get rid of them. You don't argue or reason with a cockroach; you step on it." (Wikipedia)
Recall, again, that Vanguard is the group that Bob contends is merely “believed to be extremist” with regard to the Jewish people. Now, interestingly, these white supremacists are finding Bob’s material at BTF useful for their own purposes. For example, they recently regurgitated the false quote of David Brooks that Bob posted at his Bellarmine Theological Forum (in his review of E. Michael Jones' latest book):
“In the wake of the new consensus, a new movement was born – Neo-conservatism, or as David Brooks candidly put it in the Wall Street Journal: ‘Neo means new and con means Jew’”
"[Sungenis] continues to evidence a propensity to uncritically seek out and accept unsavory, dubious and/or negatively biased information in regard to Jews and has drawn others with similar proclivities to his website." (Article)
"We should reject either automatic, unequivocal approval or knee-jerk hostility and animosity toward the Jews and/or Israel. Unfortunately, I have seen both dressed up to appear as honest opinions formed by independent, objective scholarship and/or investigation when in reality it's just a matter of someone with a predisposition regurgitating back the work and opinion of a few others because those others are saying what that person already believes. In doing so, such individuals try to pass themselves off as authorities and experts. Then others pick up the same pseudo-research and scholarship and use it as well. Before long, a whole network of self-anointed "experts" and followers may find each other, really believing they have independently happened to reach the same conclusions." (Article)
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